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by Katie Moore / Eyewitness News

wwltv.com

Posted on February 15, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Updated Wednesday, Feb 17 at 6:21 PM

NEW ORLEANS - It's sold as incense, but most people aren't lighting it for its smell. Many are smoking it to get a marijuana-like high. It's called mojo, or spice, and many other varieties are being sold all across the metro New Orleans area.

But there are no regulations on it, and law enforcement has a warning for parents tonight about what people are calling "legal weed." 

So is it legal?

“Weed, here in Louisiana anyway, it's illegal. My job, it requires drug testing. So, that's one reason I don’t any longer smoke weed,” said French Quarter tour guide and Internet videoblogger Casey Nunez.

He admits, he's smoked plenty of marijuana, but now, he’s smoking mojo.

“Very similar to the feel of marijuana when you're under the influence of it,” Nunez said.

It's sold as incense at herb shops, also known as "Ra" or “head” shops. And Nunez said it's everywhere.

“It's very evident in the French Quarter. You've got a lot of people walking down the street with their pipes smokin’ the mojo,” he said.
There are different varieties of incense that people are smoking. Some are called "spice" or "spice gold". And it's so widespread in New Orleans that it's even sold at some convenience stores and gas stations.

“I'd say it's readily available in the metropolitan area and on the Internet,” said New Orleans Police Department Deputy Superintendent of Narcotics, James Scott.

And just about anyone can buy it.  Some shops only sell to people over age 18, but others have no age restrictions.

“It allows the children to become intoxicated in some cases, probably right under their parents' noses,” Scott said.

Mojo creates a marijuana-like high, but it doesn't smell like marijuana. And apparently, it doesn't show up on standard drug tests.

Nunez took a home test after smoking mojo. He sent us a picture of his negative result.

“This will not show up on a field test kit because the field test kits test for THC,” said Special Agent in Charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Jimmy Fox.

Police and the DEA use field kits to test and see if drugs they find contain THC, the chemical in marijuana that federal law deems an illegal drug.

Only detailed, DEA analysis has shown that a combination of three synthetic chemicals, including the compound jw8-018, is what gives smokers that marijuana-like high.

The DEA has included that specific combination in their list of controlled substances, but only detailed chemical analysis in a lab will find that combination of chemicals. The field test kits don't.

“Spice in and of itself is a herbal. But what it makes it illegal is when these compounds, synthetically, have been used to include some of those ingredients that give that euphoria of THC,” Fox said.

The problem even the DEA has is that manufacturers keep changing the chemicals used to mimic THC, and each combination would have to be both outlawed and traceable in order to enforce it.

Under Louisiana law, that specific, synthetic THC combination is not illegal. 

Plus, packages for mojo and other "spice" products only say they contain a group of natural herbs. They also read, "not for human consumption."

“It's not something that we could arrest them for. It creates a problem,” Scott said.

Even Nunez will tell you, it packs a more powerful punch than most marijuana.

According to Scott, the Crimestoppers drug hotline isn't getting a large number of calls about mojo. They’ve only received one from the North shore and one from the South shore in the past two years.

However, owners of local “Ra” shops told Eyewitness news they are getting calls from parents wondering how their teens got their hands on it, and what exactly it is.

“We're extremely concerned about it because what we've seen so far is that a lot of young adults are starting to experiment with it,” Fox said.

The irony is, police say mojo is nearly twice the average street price for marijuana in the New Orleans area.

“Very expensive,” Nunez said. WWL-TV Reporter Katie Moore asked, “People are paying it? Why?” Nunez replied, “Because it's that good. And it's legal. You're not doing something that you need to worry about incarceration or being fined or put in jail.”

It's likely the same reason teens are trying it, and it's why police want to warn parents and employers that the jar of incense might be a way for people to get high.

The state of Kansas just recently outlawed mojo or spice on January 1.

It's already illegal in a handful of European countries.

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corruptamerica said on August 18, 2010 at 7:24 PM

Lets see, which government is it that puts aspertane in diet soda? aspertine is a deadly poison but they have no problem selling that in stores. The government sold nothing but lies in it's campaign to ban hemp and smoking marijuanna years ago and now they are forced once again to make yet another ignorant decision based on their own personal interest. I must have missed the voting booths bc i dont remember ever voting for the ban of herbal incense. So what happens now? The whole herbal incense industry must shut down? I have an idea!!! Lets ban alcohol, gasoline, and oil. More people have died due to these products more than Marijuanna has. Kids huff gas, is it illegal to own and purchase? Nope they taxed it. Hasnt oil been the downfall of our economy and countless lives lost in war over it? But alcohol, naturally is perfectly fine to consume as long as you responcible? Check the statistics on how many alcohol related deaths there are. Bet my life they wont ban that. Losers

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dumpalump said on August 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM

just another way for the government to crack down on anything that helps normal people to escape and relax for a while. instead of an outright ban just create an age limit on who can purchase mojo or other incense. its a great product that works and the best part about it is that many standard drug tests cannot detect it. drugs are not going away, deal with it. prohibition did not work and neither will this. can't wait until the next product comes out! god bless america and our vices!

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wildfiregirl said on July 25, 2010 at 2:10 PM

I just got a free sample of WildFire EXTREME from freeherbalincense.com and it is taking herbal smoke to a new level. My friends say it is scary potent, I say it is by far the strongest blend I've tried. The best part was there are no stems in this blend, all you get is green fluffy herbs with little red specks of herb, this makes for a very smooth smoke that lights easily and stays lit. Very nice product packaging and worth trying for yourself. Source: freeherbalincense.com

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spiceorganics said on July 20, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Honestly, I can say that herbal incense is one of the most profitable products in America right now. We help businesses all over generate incredible profits by providing them our herbal incense products. A few stores that really push the product go through a pound a week, making themselves an extra $8000 a week. I don't see why every business sells this stuff. Source: Spiceorganics.com, our site. check it out!

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trixtheprix said on July 7, 2010 at 12:38 AM

Spice is Awesome "Emerald Spice" is what its called in San Diego. A while back some kids were caught smoking it at a high school on march 20th (4/20) and they were sent to the principles office and were drug tested by law enforcement. The funny thing was it didnt show up positive for any of the drug tests. I personally love it, but would love to see more research.

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bing276035005268 said on June 8, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Great clips and songs!, I think we should do more studies about herbal incense. What we need to do is not spend money on trying to stop the herbal incense but try to study the product. See if this product will be unsafe when smoking it, even when it says not too. Also what’s up with the lady they interviewed? She was an EX (she says..) TWEEKER! TWEEKERS SUCK! They ask her what she thinks and she starts tweaking’ on about death and darkness. The tweaked lady was an opposing add-on for the media (parents be aware deal)… Well all in a nutshell, this drug seems less damage then alcohol so I say yes to it. I guess you can get it online 101easy dot com, I say yes to it but I don’t smoke it.

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cheaperherbals said on April 30, 2010 at 12:34 AM

A LOUISIANA Legislator stated he doesn't care how much revenue is generated from this Incense industry, we need to ban it. And I ask quite simply, "If the revenue is not important than please tell me and everyone else why we let Alcohol and Tobacco continue as a business." We aren't sure of what the effects of Incense are on our youth and pregnant women. APPARENTLY THAT REALLY DOESN"T MATTER!!! We have known for years the effects of both Alcohol and Tobacco, and we still sell it by the millions regardless. TO BAN THIS INDUSTRY WOULD BE AN ACT OF DISCRIMINATION IN BUSINESS. IT WOULD BE ANOTHER STEP TOWARD GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING THE PEOPLE RATHER THAN GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE. I am sure the Legislators will vote as they personally want. They will not even take into consideration that they were put in office by the people to be for the people, the majority of the people. I honestly think all Legislators should review the term called discrimination.

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cheaperherbals said on April 30, 2010 at 12:24 AM

Alcohol blatantly advertises to consume their product. If you drink 3 or 4 drinks in an hour you will test over the legal limit of alcohol content and be considered Intoxicated. I don't see the LEGISLATORS rallying for measures that insure no one can have more than 1 drink an hour to save us! It is known that even though the age limit for both Alcohol and Tobacco are 21, minors get these products and again I ask " Where are the Legislators at when they surely could pass a bill to ban Tobacco and Alcohol to save us all." In Louisiana, Rep. Walter Leger wanted to put a 21 age limit to be able to purchase the incense. REP. WOOTON emphatically stated that a 21 age requirement would not be enough. Out of his own mouth came these words " it would then be like BEER, and the underage people would just get their friends to buy it for them." SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE LEGISLATORS ADMITTING THEY KNOW ALCOHOL is getting to minors illegally and it is hypocritically OKAY with them.

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cheaperherbals said on April 30, 2010 at 12:12 AM

If the Legislators are so concerned with saving us from getting high, let us start with the big boys who sell products we know through studies are harmful. We know that TOBACCO is an addictive product. We know that TOBACCO is number one in contributing to the Health Care Crisis. We know the effects it has on everyone from pregnant women, underage children to non smokers who inhale second hand smoke. AND YET, it is ok with the LEGISLATORS that these products are sold. WHERE IS THE MIGHTY SOAPBOX FOR THE POLITICIANS TO SAVE US! Someone tell me what the actual purpose of selling any beverage with alcohol content, beer to whiskey, is? Of course I mean a reason other than to get people HIGH. Alcohol is also an addictive product. We know from years of studies the effects that drinking has on pregnant women and underage children. We read daily in the newspapers about DWI's and DUI's , from 1st offense to 8th offense. AND I THANK YOU LEGISLATORS FOR TURNING YOUR HEAD ON THIS ONE

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nick13804 said on April 20, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Here is my opinion. I feel that this is an extremely hippicraticle thing that the idiots in government power are doing. Something that I do as a grown adult in the presence of my own home after a long day of work is a CRIME? Yet a judge or politician or even president Obama( just as any other president before him) can drink alchoholic beverages which does the exact same thing is okay and not a CRIME. I was very offended by the newscast making this out to be a thing for the scum of the world to do. Im sorry, but to let you know a child under the age of 21 can get there hands on many household products very dangerous to them to get them high. why are these products legal? why is alchohol legal? I personally do not care for alchohol and find this product as a way to just relax right before i go to sleep. I in no way think that this product should be anywhere near a child, 21 should be the age to purchase, and strict enforcement of giving to minors. JUST AS ALCHOHOL.

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bpmorse said on April 1, 2010 at 1:38 PM

personally.. i love this stuff it gets me just as high as bud if not a little better ive been experimenting with a few different kinda and although they can sometimes be pricey its always worth it especially for the military. ive found these brands to be the BEST bang for your buck. starting with my favorite because of its texture and potency 1.EMERALD spice 2.PEP 3.Dragon 4.warrior xxx but honestly i wouldnt fool around with the others because emerald is by far the most potent. its the only spice i purchase. their website has awesome deals too.

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wiggityd said on March 26, 2010 at 3:44 PM

I have used this stuff for a long time with no adverse side effects. My favorite is Orange Crescent at HERBRELAX.COM. Theirs has no toxic additives and is half the price of the big names with twice the quality.

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cpercle said on February 18, 2010 at 10:07 PM

If anyone can find side effects of this stuff please post! Desparate mother!

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wcb2009 said on February 18, 2010 at 9:06 AM

Personally, I am far more concerned about all that 100 proof alcohol being sold on the street corners on New Orleans. I would expect the cops to agree...

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algiers said on February 18, 2010 at 8:37 AM

Actually Kansas hasn't passed that law yet. The funny thing about this report is that the cops are more concerned about being able to arrest people for it than they seem to be about the safety issues.

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skully said on February 18, 2010 at 12:26 AM

"Even Nunez will tell you, it packs a more powerful punch than most marijuana." Nunez is an idiot.

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ddzip said on February 17, 2010 at 7:43 PM

Thi sstuff doesn't work it's just uhh what oh yea it's just doesn't hey do you think that lil ' thing you know that half of a quotations mark thing should be called the unt because it stands for the unt sound like doesunt you know and anyway what oh yea this stuff is ha stuff is a funny word huh yea and anyway it just doesn't work but it smells funny and stuff ha stuff stuff stuff stuff and it doesunt work. So you people just get a life!!! What?

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madinbrookside said on February 17, 2010 at 3:32 PM

I don't like the mojo. I prefer to keep the reefer. It's a shame everyone is so uptight about it. I'd much rather be around someone who smoked weed than some falling down drunk. Legalize people.

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nolakarma said on February 17, 2010 at 1:02 PM

just because it's "legal" doesn't mean it is a smart thing to do!!! This is a mind altering chemical that impacts your nervous system, intentionally putting this in your body is just a STUPID thing to do!

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snide said on February 17, 2010 at 4:34 AM

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

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ashleymdichiara said on February 16, 2010 at 6:24 PM

My opinion on this article is that no matter what, the gov. doesn't want anyone to get high, except for themselves. Yes, JWH-018 and other synthetic chemicals are in these herbal mixtures. The long term effects of these chemicals, are still unknown to us. We should investigate the substance to find out longterm effects just to cure users curiosity. I, myself, am a user of these different blends. Yes, they do get you high, like marijuana, but, unlike marijuana, it's legal. To me, it's not better than weed. But, weed's illegal. Even though I am pro-legalization of marijuana, I don't believe that mojo or any of these herbal mixtures are as safe as marijuana. But, b/c marijuana's illegal, we have to smoke these things, all b/c we want to be happy. Have that happy feeling. The feeling to be able to relax and let the pressure of everyday life and activities roll across our backs. But, of course, take that away from us. What ever happened to freedom of choice. What a free country! Hypocrites.

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hellorhighwater said on February 16, 2010 at 2:02 PM

I think the worst part about the herbal incense is that it is falsely marketed as being "organic" with a listing of all kinds of flowers and stuff that seems harmless. The tests done show that it appears to be sprayed with a synthetic THC- like substance. We know (from centuries of use) what THC does, but this synthetic stuff created in a lab? What are the long term affects? The package says "not for human consumption"- does't that include inhaling? So the company is "covered" if something were to come of it cause they can say that it was not sold with that intent. Some people will do anything to get a buzz...but they should be aware of potential risk before doing so. If you are smoking this stuff do you know if there are any potential risks? Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's safe. If you don't care, so be it....but many kids/adolescents are buying it thinking that it is safe because it is legal. When in reality, the illegal "real pot" my be safer.....

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yeahyeahyeah said on February 16, 2010 at 12:26 PM

If they are going to have something negative to say, at least have the correct information. "Spice" and "Spice gold" have been illegal for a year now. So what, if people want to get high, then they will find anything. People are using markers, keyboard cleaner and other more dangerous things to get high. Everyone has their vices. This "herbal incense", yeah, I have tried it. It was ok, and I am better off being sober. People that abuse things will have a problem with them. I have not tried drugs, and do not know what it is like to abuse anything; but cmon now,people are going to do what they are going to do regardless.

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commentstrue said on February 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM

I bet when opium, and other drugs came out people were saying the same thing many are posting. "You drink, smoke cigarettes, etc., so leave me alone because I am going to do what I want to do; Get a life!" The problem I find is that most people find themselves like alot of my friends of NA. They start out in control fo their substance but in a little while their substance controls them. Then they have a 800 lb gorilla on their backs 7/24 trying to get them to go back to the substance. Please, make sure the "Get a life!" doesn't destroy the life that you want to get. You will find that the rest of your life will be a constant battle and a never ending miserable pain that never leaves.

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psychohurricane said on February 16, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Truth Is The Police Are Not Interested In Stopping Drugs They Would Stand To Loose Far too Much Money On Seizure"s There Merely Want To Criminalize For Profit Where Do You Think The WEED and SEED Unit Came From? Shortly Before Hurricane Katrina Sgt Paul Accardo and Myself Were Working On a Plan That Would Have Taken The Profit Out Of Illegal Drugs NO ONE but NO ONE within The NOPD Or Any Other Agency Wanted To Even Hear It As The Thought Of No more haha We Just Took Your Corvette away Mr Drug Dealer was More Thought Than They Could Bare. Truth Is There Is Still a Very simple Solution To Totally Ending The Illegal Drug Trade By As Much As 90 Plus Precent.

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cjh104 said on February 16, 2010 at 8:04 AM

We have bad times today, unemployment and other major things to worry about. But you see for the police and the goverment this drug war makes them a lot of money and make criminals out of people who really don't hurt the community. Grow up people and check to see how much money there is to be made by the local police and Goverment. If they tax it and make it legal then the citizen would reap the money. That money can go toward schools and such. They said the same thing about casinos. A bunch of do gooder who can't keep their noise to themselves. I am getting sick of those telling me how I should live. Its none of their business if I don't harm anyone. Leave us along and take care of yourself. By the way I don't use any sort of drugs except the ones my Doctor tells me to use. Do something good for a change and let the people share in the rewards.

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schexter said on February 16, 2010 at 4:33 AM

You f**king people are so stupid...

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nickdichiara said on February 16, 2010 at 3:07 AM

I find this to be inconclusive.The product you have shown to the public eye is just b/c of some careless moms that dont know where there teens are most of the time.I AM a user of this product and i think its great that we dont have to worry about going to jail over nothing.I am an active member of NORMAL and i WILL stand behind what i believe in,If you ban this it wont stop the KILLINGS,DWI,ETC.This is coming from a city that PRIDES its self over the bars that are open 24 hrs. a day.I love this city but it is a shame that i cant smoke Mojo but i can go to a bar and drink myself to DEATH! This is a waste of time story and i am now ashamed to say im from New Orleans.Thank you for you time.

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candyland said on February 16, 2010 at 2:46 AM

Just get a life,then!

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sundancedg said on February 16, 2010 at 1:00 AM

Oh and by the way I DO NOT SMOKE OR DRINK! !! But I do NEED A JOB !!Just tired of hearing the news about DUMB SH___T.

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sundancedg said on February 16, 2010 at 12:56 AM

PEOPLE GET A LIFE !!!!!!! YOU SMOKE CIGARETTS !!!!!!! YOU DRINK LIKE A FISH ---DUI and HOPEFULLY YOU KILL ONLY YOURSELF!!!! POLICE SHOULD CONSENTRATE ON THE REAL CRIMINALS -------- DRUG DEALERS , RAPIST and VIOLATERS OF THE ELDERLY OH AND THE LIST CAN CONTINUE !!!!!!! an hour of news about nothing, lets see real news weather ,sports,and new JOBS being created!!!!

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