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Passengers left waiting for hours on plane, airliner blames Saints parade

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by Bigad Shaban / Eyewitness News

Posted on February 10, 2010 at 7:33 AM

Updated Thursday, Feb 11 at 12:53 PM

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NEW ORLEANS -  Angry, frustrated, and confused--those are just a few of the lingering emotions being felt by close to 100 United Airlines passengers still stranded in New Orleans.

Their packed flight to Los Angeles was supposed to leave at 7:18pm Tuesday evening, but after spending 3 hours on the plane, flight #263 never took off.
 
“The flight that they rescheduled us to doesn’t leave until 2:30 or 3pm [Wednesday] afternoon,” said Dwight Webster, a passenger trying to get back home to Oakland, California. “So all in all it will be 24 hours before I get home.”
 
Passengers say they were left waiting because the plane’s pilots were more than 2.5 hours late. According to United Airlines, passengers were free to move on and off the plane while it was parked at the gate.  The airliner says the reason for the pilots' late arrival was due to heavy traffic as a result of the Saints parade. 
 
"The van that was supposed to pick up the pilots of the plane was accidentally misdirected and then caught up in the huge amount of traffic due to the Super Bowl celebration in New Orleans,” said Megan McCarthy, United Airlines spokesperson. “The pilots eventually had to make their own way to the airport, which took a very long time and delayed them severely (at one point they had to walk a long distance...to get to the van).”
 
Once the pilots boarded, however, some passengers began accusing them of being drunk. 
 
 “I didn’t see blood shot eyes, but he looked kind of staggery, a little tipsy,” said passenger Jaime Roberts. “He had a very rude attitude.”
 
Photos snapped by one passenger show a Jefferson Parish Sheriff's deputy on board interviewing people after one first-class passenger, coincidentally a pilot himself, called 9-1-1 for fear the pair of on-duty pilots were intoxicated.
 
"In terms of the accussations of them being drunk, it isn't true," said a stern McCarthy.  The airline spokesperson adamantly denies the allegations and points to the findings of law enforcement authorties who were called to the scene.
 
According to passengers, the deputies did not perform a breathalyzer test, but eventually concluded the pilots were not under any influence.“Allegations into the original complaint were determined to be un-founded,” said Sgt. Larry Dyess, spokesman for the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office.
 
"We were kind of unsure whether to be on the plane or not,” said Paul Childs, a passenger from Los Angeles. “Some people had gotten off already and then we decided we'll sit down there and then I heard other passengers saying I don't feel comfortable with this, we want [the pilot] to take a breathalyzer test and then I saw the pilot stand up and said, ‘we're done, call United---we don't like these allegations, we're not flying.’"
 
McCarthy is giving a different reason for the cancelled flight. 
 
"By the time the pilots arrived at the airport, the flight crew that was standing by on the plane was 'past their duty time', which means that they cannot fly because they have been on the clock too long,” said McCarthy. “Thus, the flight was cancelled."
 
By midnight, after passengers had picked up their luggage from the baggage claim area, they still appeared to be stranded at the airport. 
 
 “We have probably about 100 people and nobody knows where to go, nobody knows what to do,” said Tom Baker, a resident of Los Angeles.
 
Baker says United Airlines officials told passengers that a shuttle had been arranged to pick everyone up in order to bring them to a nearby Ramada Hotel. Passengers were provided a hotel voucher for the Ramada, but the shuttle never arrived —forcing passengers to pay their own way there.
 
“We missed the [Saints] parade and still now have to find a taxi to get wherever we’re going,” said Webster. “I’m a little annoyed right now.”

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chococity said on February 10, 2010 at 6:33 AM

Don't ever accuse an airline pilot of being drunk unless you absolutely know it...... You will not get where you want to go. These idiots had to learn the hard way.

mct1970 said on February 10, 2010 at 7:41 AM

Oh yeah... the passengers are idiots. Even the one who was an airline pilot himself, that called the Police... Sounds like you are the idiot buddy. Anyway... WHY were these pilots not at the airport hotels, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET???? That's a better question.

biggtrain said on February 10, 2010 at 8:01 AM

This is crazy. We were in the traffic, too, and I don't believe it for one minute. "They had to walk a long distance..." ????? Why? They didn't have a good enough view from where they were?? If I'm flying for United, knowing they've already had a drunk pilot pulled off a flight, I would definitely take the breathalyzer, so that there would be no confusion/assumptions. A responsible pilot would've understood passenger concerns, and wouldn't have acted like an immature jerk when asked to take a breath test. A responsible pilot also would've made it to the airport on time...after all, nearly 100 passengers were able to do it!!! Gimme a break.

anonymouscoward said on February 10, 2010 at 8:34 AM

If you would ride in an airplane with a suspected drunk pilot, you're a bigger fool than you think those that called the police are. Sometimes I marvel at what people write without thinking. I guess it's habit! Get there the hard way? Have you ever hit the ground in an aircraft? *That*, you fool is the hard way.

cajundude said on February 10, 2010 at 8:57 AM

Were these pilots deaf? The radio, Tv and everyone in New Orleans have been saying since Monday that there will be total grid lock for 2 hours before the parade starts and they advised everyone to get to your destination at least 2-3 hours ahead of time.

jax2010 said on February 10, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Didnt they know that Saints won the Super Bowl?? Why would they want to leave the city? The parties are just getting started! lol

randys said on February 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM

I hate to rain on anybody's parade [pun intended!], and I certainly wasn't there, and I suspect none of the other posters were either, but... While the incident was stupid beyond belief, I fly far too much and see things like this all too frequently 1) - The "pilot" who called 9-1-1 was not said to be an "airline pilot". More likely a private pilot. An airline pilot would most likely have reacted differently 2) - Flight crews are put up by the airline in whatever hotel offers the best rates. This is often NOT the "airport hotel". Many crews are put up in downtown hotels. 3) - The pilots were doubtless told by the shuttle company what time to meet the shuttle -- and where. It is entirely possible that the pilots had never been to New Orleans before. After all, it's just a job for them. They go when and where told to go. 4) - Assuming they had just arrived in NO from somewhere else, they maybe were not watching the news/sports. Unless they were football fans, they may not have cared...

buzbeech said on February 10, 2010 at 10:24 AM

did you "lovely" people not read the story (I use the word lovely tongue in cheek you all sound rather stupid to me) The van that was supposed to pick the pilots up had trouble getting to them. The pilots had NOTHING to do with the van being late. Read the story line, by line and if you can't, have someone read it to you before you make your asinine comments. Idiots!

kdswim said on February 10, 2010 at 10:40 AM

my dad was on this flight, it appears the airline has already spun the story. first of all, the pilots could not be reached by phone for the entire time they were missing; apparently they are the only two people on earth that don't have cell phones. second the pilots had a lame excuse and refused to take a breath test. (sound fishy to me.) and lastly, the stewards were ready for take off when the pilots announced they were so offended by the accusations they refused to fly - this had nothing to do with flight crew past their due time.

keniniowa said on February 10, 2010 at 10:42 AM

There is no way an airline crew member can refuse a for-cause alcohol/drug test unless they want to be dismissed on the spot, no questions asked. That is Federal Law. That said, one better have a good reason for such an accusation. Next, lodging for crews are not chosen by the crew, but the carrier. These contracts are usually chosen not for location, but cost and availability. The transportation of crews is usually also covered by the Carrier, and not the crew. Lastly, when you are governed by Federal Hours of Service rules, going on-duty two hours in advance may not be an option, as they may not have been rested per those rules. Or, if they had started covered time two hours early, they may not have been able to make destinations down the line.

kdswim said on February 10, 2010 at 10:52 AM

well then keni, these pilots should have been dismissed because you can have 100 passengers vouche that they refused to take a breathalyzer test until the police were called. i guess we'll see where this pilots end up in time...

klugster said on February 10, 2010 at 11:55 AM

I'm sure it's just a strange coincidence that an entire planeload of passengers had NO problem getting to the airport on time...

madanii said on February 10, 2010 at 12:15 PM

I take issue with the airline blaming this snafu on the Saints parade. I could be wrong, but wasn't the parade hell and gone from the airport??

whocaresfu said on February 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM

What a bunch of feminized, whiny people this nation are (specifically referencing the passengers). At least you could actually get off the plane and were not forced to sit in the plane. This country becomes more useless everyday....

princess1208 said on February 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Get over it people! I was once stranded in the Atlanta airport at 1am due to a delayed flight and it caused me to miss my connection. The next flight did not leave until 8am the next morning so I had to stay awake all night in the airport because I had a 10 month old. So stop whining! Did I get a Ramada Inn voucher???? NO! I got nothing. I understand the passengers concern regarding the pilots however they should not have sat on a plane for 3 hours if they thought the pilots were going to be intoxicated. WHO DAT!!!

no2ftwdiva said on February 10, 2010 at 12:29 PM

If this is is the BEST "negaitve" news story we have concerning the parade--well GREAT!!. Coming in from Slidell, on I-10, around 1PM yesterday and traffic was already backed up to the Morrison exit!!! "...heavy traffic as a result of the Saints parade," is at best an understatement. I don't know if there was a BEST time to be anywhere yesterday "on time." And to say that the piolts looked "kind of staggery, a little tipsy," is so explained by the fact that, “The pilots eventually had to make their own way to the airport, which took a very long time and delayed them severely (at one point they had to walk a long distance...to get to the van).” I don't know about you, but I am a mental mess when I am 10 minutes late for work; let alone having to go through what these piolits had to. I know I would look deranged!! I am sorry that this flight was canceled. I am sorry this inconvience. But again if this is is the BEST "negaitve" news story we have concerning the parade--well GRE

captainstev7 said on February 10, 2010 at 12:48 PM

As a career airline pilot, I can tell you, it's not just United. As they struggle to survive financial stress and bankruptcies, all airlines these days treat pilots like garbage. Pay and working conditions are horrible. Many United pilots make less than many city bus drivers. Pilots don't get paid for transportation time. They aren't going to leave the hotel early. Why should they? Tickets are bought at the lowest price, and now everything is done at least cost. Until the consumer chooses quality over price, nothing will change. The airport employees and transportation company would have known about the local traffic. The pilots would not have. But none of them cared (or were just incompetent). When an alcohol claim is made (even joking) no pilot is going to fly until his name is fully cleared. The details of that won't be known for some time, but look at the safety record of the airlines. Pilots are very professional.

larryjml said on February 10, 2010 at 12:57 PM

IMHO, unless you were on the plane or one of the pilots, then you really don't know what took place. But we can say with certainity that this is yet another example of how unpleasant flying has become in this country. Between irrational security screenings, irrational restrictions, crowded flights, late flights, nasty airline personnel, nasty customers and ridiculous fees, flying just plain sucks in America. The only solution I see is charging what a flight really costs and getting a lot of people out of the sky and back on the bus.

lshofstahl579578 said on February 10, 2010 at 1:54 PM

My children were in that traffic jam last night. Who knew there would be such an overwhelming turnout? I wish I could have been one of them---Sunday night was wonderful in the Quarter. Re the pilots being snippy, I think after the stress of battling that traffic jam trying to get to the air port I would have been ready to bite off the face of any of the passengers that gave lip. Re: the passengers this was an almost unforseen event-the parade. Hang loose . Sounds like someone wants $$$ for this. Different arrangements must be made by the airlines for next year's celebration

mjname said on February 10, 2010 at 2:42 PM

If they didn't administer a breath analyzer it doesn't sound like they were "REALLY" given an intoxication test. It sounds more like another brilliant investigation by the NOPD that has more to do with good press or bribes than it does of upholding the law. If you give some one a breath alyzer then you know how much or how little. Really sounds like the cops didn't want to know. Just more third world shoddy work by the NOPD?

jackson74 said on February 10, 2010 at 5:12 PM

i have been flying for a major airline for the past 10 years. here's the deal people. if a passenger makes jokes or accuses the pilots of drinking/being drunk they can walk off of the plane and go to a clinic to take a full drug screen/breathalizer. people think these jokes are cute and funny but they cause huge problems, delays and even cancellations. also, i assure yo if the flight attendants are not concerned either should you. i for one am not about to risk my life due to the stupidity of someone else. for those of you that say they should have just taken the test right there on the airplane, that's ridiculous. imagine someone coming up to you at your job and accusing you of being drunk and demanding a drug test in front of everyone. there are procedures that have to be done. it's all federally regulated per the FAA. the part about the hotels and vans times all of that is foolish. the hotels are provided by the airline and the transportation is provided by the hotels.

ponchatoula51 said on February 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Why they don't stay across the street from the airport. Think about it, they don't want to be in the line of fire so to speak. If another plane goes down there they don't want to be any where around. Thats just my opinion

nogrits said on February 10, 2010 at 5:20 PM

C'est la Vie......

swampfox said on February 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM

mjname - Please read the article carefully before spouting off with the blame. It is clearly stated that this was handled by the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office, not NOPD. It is easy for "outsiders" to get caught up in something as big and wonderful as this celebration was; had to be very tempting to want to join, especially if it looked like there was a good chance to lay the blame elsewhere. I take my clue from what was stated that the pilots could not be reached by phone. IF TRUE, then I would almost have to believe they did not want to be reached. I had to watch the celebration on TV, and it looked like at least 2 of every 3 persons with upstretched hands had a cell phone in their hands, taking pictures. That observation also applied to those riding the floats. As for not expecting this thing to be so big, give me a break. We have Mardi Gras every year. This area has been waiting for this over 40 years. Should have been no surprise as to how big it was. Thanks, Saints!

flat_u_lence said on February 10, 2010 at 6:07 PM

I was on a plane recently and they ran out of peanuts. The litigation is ongoing but will be well worth it.

pilotman said on February 10, 2010 at 7:08 PM

The article says he was a PILOT, not an AIRLINE PILOT, pretty big difference. I wouldn't give much credence to anything that he says until I find out what his flying experience is. Why don't pilots stay at hotels at the airport you ask? Do you go on a business trip and stay right next to the office you need to go to? Get real, You stay where your company puts you. We are sometimes in cities for quite a while, and need to be near places that have a variety of healthy reasonably priced food as well as things to do. If someone accused you of being drunk I would bet you would be pretty angry at the accusation. You don't have a right to go blindly accusing people. This isn't the pilots fault, it was the shuttle company and the airlines fault for overlooking the fact there was going to be 60k people near the hotel for a parade. Also, the passengers are at fault for blowing this way up more than it needed to be. They act like they never got stuck in traffic and were late for work!

mikeinkenner said on February 10, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Here's the thing. We are all down at the parade having a good time and really couldn't have cared less if you made your flight. If those involved are that stupid to have not paid attention to the news and listen to what has been planned for days, and reacted accordingly, you don't deserve to fly. I was at the welcoming home get together for the Saints coming back in Monday. Here we are, traffic's pretty much blocked in many directions, thousands of people, and this lady is complaining about how to get to the airport and gets out of her car? Excuse me, your not deaf and dumb, this was on the news?

chrisnhouston said on February 10, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Two Words...."Oh Well"

digitalbob said on February 10, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Stuck in a parade? Nonsense. I work for an airline and we always have crews on ready reserve in case a pilot or an FA calls in sick or times out. A captain can always, always call in sick if they miss the no alcohol deadline (see ready reserve comment above) with just a phone call. And a captain who shows up for duty with ANY detectable alcohol in his system will lose his job and his pilots license. We have 100's of flights every day and I have not heard of a single captain or FA reporting for work impaired. Their co-workers would turn them in if they couldn't talk them into calling off .

jmoon said on February 10, 2010 at 10:45 PM

I was on the plane, here is what the airline is not telling. The flight attendants said the pilots called in 20min before we boarded and said they were caught in traffic. They called into something called flight ops. For the next 2 1/2 hours no one could get hold of the pilots. The flight attendants who were our only line of communication had no updates. I doubt flight ops heard from the pilots and choose not to call the flight attendants. Almost right at 3 hours when the pilots arrived, they wanted to take off right away. Since I was more in the back of the plane, I could not hear what was going on, but the messages filtered back that the pilots were arrogant and would not say were they were. Then about 10min passed and the police showed up, about another 10min and they cancelled the flight. Now maybe they were caught in traffic, but they could have called to update us, maybe cell service was bad downtown, but once they got out of downtown they could have called. Finish on next ,,,

jmoon said on February 10, 2010 at 10:53 PM

Or maybe the pilots could have just got on the speakers and said sorry. But the choose not too. I also know the flight attendants where LA based and wanted to get home. The flight attendants being out of time is a convienent excuse for the airline, because if the pilots had their way they would have pushed away from the gates the second they got there. I was also the last one to leave the plane, as I stayed around to search for something I lost. And the police did not leave, they waited for the pilots...so not sure what that was about, because if they were cleared they would have just turned around and left. I personally believe the pilots used bad judgement by not leaving thier hotel earlier. I believe they got caught in traffic and choose to wait it out. I also believe they enjoyed the parade (which is why they never called). And yes I believe they had a few drinks while they enjoyed the parade.

nunyabidness said on February 10, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Let me see if I get this right...the pilots were 2.5 hours late for a 3.5 hour flight, and the airline says the flight was cancelled because the flight crew was "past their duty time".... If that's the case, wouldn't the flight crew have hit "their duty time" before the flight landed? What would they have done, landed in, say, Phoenix and refused to go any further?? I don't fully believe either side, but I certainly don't believe this lame excuse from the airline spokesperson.

bph320 said on February 10, 2010 at 11:15 PM

digitalbob, MSY is not a crew base for UAL and there are no crews on standby there. The company contracts with the hotels and transportation companies. The pilots don't pick the hotel or set the pick up times. When dealing with a 3rd party transportation company it is almost impossible to change the pickup times. I am a pilot for United and I don't blame them at all for walking off the trip when being accused of drinking. I would have ordered a formal drug and alcohol screening and I would have been done for the day. Accusing a flight crew of drinking is a serious matter.

bph320 said on February 10, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Jmoon, "And yes I believe they had a few drinks while they enjoyed the parade." Then they were in the right for walking off the plane and getting alcohol tested. I hope the accusation was worth it.

bph320 said on February 10, 2010 at 11:29 PM

"Let me see if I get this right...the pilots were 2.5 hours late for a 3.5 hour flight, and the airline says the flight was cancelled because the flight crew was "past their duty time".... If that's the case, wouldn't the flight crew have hit "their duty time" before the flight landed? What would they have done, landed in, say, Phoenix and refused to go any further?? I don't fully believe either side, but I certainly don't believe this lame excuse from the airline spokesperson." The duty time limit that they ran against was that they would have to depart MSY by a certain time in order to land at the destination by the end of the maximum duty day. Once underway, if there is holding or stronger heaadwinds they would not land short. that would be stupid.

nunyabidness said on February 11, 2010 at 12:28 AM

BPH320...I agree it would be stupid, but what you say (The duty time limit that they ran against was that they would have to depart MSY by a certain time in order to land at the destination by the end of the maximum duty day) is NOT what the airline said: "By the time the pilots arrived at the airport, the flight crew that was standing by on the plane was 'past their duty time', which means that they cannot fly because they have been on the clock too long,” said McCarthy. “Thus, the flight was cancelled." It doesn't say that the 'flight crew would be on the clock too long", but that they "HAVE BEEN ON THE CLOCK TOO LONG"...so, again, how could 2.5 hours put them on the clock too long, when 3.5 would not have?

aar90 said on February 11, 2010 at 2:08 AM

>> how could 2.5 hours put them on the clock too long, when 3.5 would not have?<< The FLIGHT ATTENDANTS were the "flight crew that was standing by on the plane..." They obviously flew into MSY and were waiting to fly out. Hence, they ran out of "duty time." The airline picks the hotel and transportation and TELLS the pilots when/where they will stay and travel. Think about what your attitude would be if you were FORCED to sit in a van for 2.5-3.0 hours without food or water?! Personally, I would have called the airline more often than once (IF I could), but that's just me. There is NO REQUIREMENT for the pilots to call the airline... it is the airline's responsibility to get their crews to/from their hotels. And I NEVER provide the airline with my cell phone number. It is MY phone, not the airline's. Lastly, if accused of being drunk, I will immediately exit the plane and get formal FAA drug/alcohol testing -my career just became more important than "your" flight.

maturemind said on February 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM

@ MJName, The !st time I flew out of Louis Armstrong / NOIA Kenner Police was responsible for security, Then the Story also states that a passenger took a picture of a Jefferson Parish Deputy investigating, Not NOPD, So how can you blame NOPD for dropping the Ball? Please do as suggested by Buzbeech suggested & read line by line!!!

maturemind said on February 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM

To all of those passengers that was inconvenienced please except this apology, How ever if that was the only negative press that came from The Saints Victory Parade, Well I'll take that, since after the Cowboys won the Super Bowl in 1993 the had a parade that ended up in a Riot, That just showed the rest of the Nation we don't always act like animals when we get together & Celebrate

emijen said on February 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Flight delay vs. plane crash due to intoxicated pilots...hmm, I wonder which one a rational person would choose. I feel for the pilots if they weren't drunk, but frankly, my personal safety and those of any people I cared about on that flight would matter far more to me than their inconvenience. So I fully support those passengers that voiced their concerns, people need to be vigilant regarding the people flying their planes or driving their buses, taxicabs, etc.

wlavmcj said on February 11, 2010 at 12:25 PM

If the passengrs could get to the airprt on time why not the pilots? Maybe they were deaf and dumb and not able to hear or understand the traffic information that was on every station (TV or Radio)or maybe they just didn't care.

nunyabidness said on February 11, 2010 at 2:12 PM

A dear friend works for a different airline, based many many miles from New Orleans...trust me, the airlines KNEW about this parade, even if the pilots themselves did not...both the employees based at the airport and those based elsewhere were very aware of what was happening...the transportation company knew there was a parade going on, and the employees at the hotel knew the parade was going on....at one point the airline spokesperson says "the pilots had to make their own way to the airport" and then says "at one point they had to walk a long way...to make it to the van". Which is it? Did they get themselves there, or take the van? I'm not saying the pilots were drunk, or even drinking (I was at Lombardi Gras and wasn't drinking), but that the excuses being proffered sound a bit fishy

bph320 said on February 11, 2010 at 10:26 PM

The pilots were not drinking. They were accused unjustly by passengers who probably were drinking. I dare everyone here to accuse the pilots of drinking on your next flight and see what happens. I guarantee you will be delayed if not cancelled.

truman said on February 12, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Last I knew it's the flight crew's job to determine who's going to fly NOT the passengers. There was a time, when some of the trash that flies nowadays couldn't afford to fly. Just because you buy a plane ticket, doesn't mean we have to follow your rules. If you don't like it, get back on the Greyhound bus where you belong.